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[flamingsword]

Six of us saw Twilight on Sunday night. It wasn't as bad as I'd hoped it would be. :( The characterization is still hilariously bad, but apparently the screenwriter edited some of the antifeminist attitudes out. That's probably a good thing, and this may be one of those rare times when the movie is better than the book. GLITTERY MONSTERS! How can that level of epic fail not be entertaining? 4SRS.

In the quest for self-knowledge, I have figured out that I have thoughts about things other people have feelings and beliefs about. Feelings for most people are very definite, almost binary. They must rarely take three or four feelings and experience them all together. In fact it's so rare that they have words like 'ambivalent' just to express that they feel more than one way, because apparently that's abnormal. Which I just figured out. :\

Tell me of your feelings, flist. How many do you generally have on x subject? In t amount of time will your feelings change by y amount? Let's graph this out so that I can get a handle on it. Screw XKCD, I will use math to figure this out.

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[terriblelynne.livejournal.com]

I was taken to the movie by a friend, completely unspoiled except "young adult novel about vampires". I managed to stomach it right up to the sparkly scene, which moved me to turn to my friend and say "You've GOT to be shitting me."

[flamingsword.livejournal.com]

Yeah, bad movies aren't for everyone. Why didn't she warn you? This movie is so bad it almost requires MST3K treatment, and people deserve some advance notice for things like that.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is, I love stunningly bad movies (Ed Wood, classic blaxploitation, Russ Meyer, that sort of thing), but there's a difference even between that and, well, Just Plain Dumb (as in, not particularly inspired in their badness, you know)? I'm up for a stunningly bad movie just as much as for a stunningly good one, typically.

[tanniynim.livejournal.com]

I find myself ambivalent (1st definition, not the Psych version) quite often.

I view situations through multiple viewpoints almost constantly (I am a shapeshifter afterall), but *feeng* them is different.

If I were to pull numbers out of thin air, I'd say I experience multiple (usually 2-3) emotions about things 30-50% of the time. My mind, if set, is only changed through good argument, but I don't usually set myself on anything unless I'm sure.

As far as Twilight goes, I'd watch it if there was something in it for me. Like, say, a blowjob or $50. ;)

[tanniynim.livejournal.com]

Damn PDA. "*feeling*"

[flamingsword.livejournal.com]

Hmm. Even when I'm sure of a conclusion, I'll still have different stuff going on with that decision a lot of the time. And being sure is pretty rare for me. I've pretty much got a spectrum that goes from 'I have no idea' to 'until I have different evidence'. You are unlike me, but I'll have to come back and think some more on this paradigm to account for you in my model. Thanks for the input.

I don't have $50, and your wife is scary. But sometime when you're in the mood for an onscreen romance novel (with vampires) written by a sixteen year old Mormon girl, you should check it out. Pretty and amusing, but still really bad for your brain. :)

[lifeblender.livejournal.com]

I feel multiple feelings on subjects regularly, but almost always those about making choices. Simple choices like dinner or driving will give me a 1-3 emotions, but choices about relationships will usually give me 2-5 at once. Concepts and non-interactive events usually only generate one feeling at a time in me, although often more than one in sequence as I examine them. Feelings about relationship choices take several hours to change, while simpler choices take only a few minutes.

[flamingsword.livejournal.com]

Thank you. That's quite helpful. As I think on it, that's pretty close to what I do, but categorized more clearly than I had been able to make it.

[lifeblender.livejournal.com]

I've had a lot of time to watch myself. Glad that that could help someone else.

[bouncyone.livejournal.com]

"Tell me of your feelings, flist. How many do you generally have on x subject? In t amount of time will your feelings change by y amount? Let's graph this out so that I can get a handle on it. Screw XKCD, I will use math to figure this out."
this is in an interesting question. there are certain things that bring up the same exact one feeling. there are other things that bring up a whole bunch of feelings. it is also frequent to experience both poles of the feeling at the same time. (so i'll feel excited and scared, happy and sad)

oh, and they can definitely shift all over the place in a small period of time.

the more and more i play with my feelings, the more i discover i can do with them. i don't think there are limits to what i can feel.

[flamingsword.livejournal.com]

So you get the multiple-feelings side of the question; do you have any insights to offer on how you got this way or how the multiplicity breaks down?

[bouncyone.livejournal.com]

yes, actually.

i'll offer a few explanations:
1. not being satisfied with the original feeling i was receiving. the original feeling was not useful nor did not adequately describe what i thought should be there. so, i went looking for deeper meaning. and when you look for things, my experience is you find them. :)

2. i'm currently learning about NLP. NLP offers a framework for understanding relationships with our emotions. there are technique in NLP for associating an experience with particular emotional states. some people are using these techniques at an unconscious level. essentially we can train ourselves to experience [a] particular emotion(s) with regard to a certain type of experience.

3. reinterpretation of the feeling(s). our conscious mind must interpret what a feeling actually is. i'm convinced that two people can interpret the same feeling as different things. so perhaps before a speech i may notice a bunch of energy and be jittery. at one time in my life i have interpreted this as a feeling of being nervous, while now it is a feeling anticipation and excitement.

[azuzil.livejournal.com]

re: self knowledge and feelings

I'm not entirely sure I understand the question here. what I think you are asking is if people have multiple thoughts/feelings at the same time about one specific "idea" or "situation." If that is the case then yes I do constanly have many emotions and thoughts around most things.

I find thoughts change much faster than emotions but at least twice the speed if not more.

[dreamsoffire.livejournal.com]

Perhaps it's because my brain operates on a constant system of self-analyzation, but I almost always have more than one emotion in regards to a subject. At times, I'll have emotions that completely contradict eachother regarding a subject, depending on precisely what aspect of it I'm thinking about at any given moment. These emotions are usually rather dynamic, as well, but mostly because my opinions on things are very rarely set in stone, themselves. Most of the time, I'm equally able to argue both sides of a disagreement and end up playing devil's advocate to my friends all the time.

I don't know if that helped, at all... just my thoughts.

everything helps

[flamingsword.livejournal.com]

See I can analyze things outside my head all day, but the inside of my headspace is a bit like a B-movie haunted house, all empty unlit rooms with hidden panels, pointless halls of locked doors, unexpected pit-traps. The emotions in polar conflict with each other is familiar, but then there's the ones that aren't on the same spectrum at all. When I used to get in fights there was the rage at the person, rage at myself for caring, joy of freedom to be what I was, fear of consequences, and the background hiss of despair that never went away.

It takes a long time for me to feel out the edges of these things and how they intersect, like other people have nightvision that works inside their heads like mine works outside. I'm still percolating the idea, but soon I should have a new behavioral model that actually applies to me and people over on this side of the bell curve. I have some concepts that make it most of the way but don't get it all, and it's crazymaking.

[rens-sanctuary.livejournal.com]

I have feelings on stuff all the time. I figure that's why I almost always can find the word I need to talk about it. On simple ideas I have about 2 feelings. Pasta good, cooking bad as an example. For ideas, and I mean the things people call concepts (love, God, the Universe) I have about 3-5 feelings on.

I can look at something one day and have one feeling and the next it can change to feeling 2. Not usually, but if I'm in a funk I'll hate something I love or vice versa. The fluidity of my feelings is dependent upon the aforementioned mood and the evidence to support an argument.

I THINK that's what you meant anyway. Hit me up with the questions, if any.

[rens-sanctuary.livejournal.com]

Twilight the movie IS the book. It's like crack really but you can't not watch it it's that wtf?!edness.

[flamingsword.livejournal.com]

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[rens-sanctuary.livejournal.com]

I have one! That's my Sorry icon.

[flamingsword.livejournal.com]

AAHAHAHA! That is tortilla chips with awesomesauce.

[rens-sanctuary.livejournal.com]

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