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According to predominantly Christianized Western beliefs, we have a silently suffering minority that has been overlooked for hundreds of years. These poor souls have been oppressed on the basis of their gender and been unable to voice any concerns without severe social backlash. But it's not who you think it is.

Women are not supposed to be sluts, and as such we are discriminated against for enjoying sex with men. Our culture has a lot of social pressures designed to reinforce our place as the withholders of sex. Gay men aren't even supposed to exist, being similarly vilified for liking cock. So, if it's not okay for women to like dick, and it's not okay for men to like it either, that leaves pretty much nobody to like what's in a man's pants.

Sorry, guys.

But, see, now it's on your shoulders, too. The reclaiming of women's right to be sexually forward is up to us all, and you stand to benefit as much from our freedom as we do. Feminism can only come so far without the help of masculism: the belief that the power of men and maleness is a cure for particular social ills of our culture. If feminism has made it okay for men to be more open, more intimate, then masculism can make it okay for women to be more promiscuous. And that can only help your chances, y'all.

So praise the sluts you know and treat them well. Be sex-positive and encourage this forward-thinking social change that gets us all laid. :D


[ETA: This is what happens when I'm sick. My brain starts working all funny and goes in strange directions and new ideas come out of it.]

Date: 2008-02-27 03:13 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-02-27 06:12 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-02-27 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raasalhayya.livejournal.com
Agreed. And rockin' new icon! :D

Date: 2008-02-27 06:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] runiclaw.livejournal.com
man i am out of the loop, its not ok for women to like sex? hell i for one would rather have a woman who knows what she likes and likes to get it.

Date: 2008-02-27 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daddio914.livejournal.com
You should get sick more often. ;)





Seriously, I do like what you're saying here. I may have to steal the word and use it for later reflection. :)

Date: 2008-02-27 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] th0rshammer.livejournal.com
I would like to see all double standards go out the window. I regularly check with my wife to make sure she IS enjoying everything we are doing, because the idea of a woman having sex and not enjoying it is a turn off.

Those who I would actually consider "sluts" aren't selective, so I wouldn't be attracted to them. I wouldn't want to be with someone who would just go out every weekend and fuck anyone they find. I've known those before, and it does nothing for me.

It must be in how we define what a "slut" is. One can be certain that if I'm with someone, I don't think of her as one of those.

I want to know that I'm attractive because I fulfill certain high standards of criteria, not just because someone wants to get laid and I happen to be the one who's around.

Date: 2008-02-27 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] th0rshammer.livejournal.com
Now if we can put an end to the social stigma against "testosterone", which definitely exists, we can all get along better.

Date: 2008-02-27 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] th0rshammer.livejournal.com
I think I apply the word "slut" to different things than you are, like liars and scam artists. To me, a "slut" is someone who is dishonest about what they are doing. A "slut" is fake. The person (male or female) who upholds a false relationship and does other people in secret. Or the person who teases others to get them to buy her drinks, like a parasite.

To me, a person can enjoy as much or any kind of sex that he or she wants, as long as it's open and honest. A woman who just likes alot of sex is not a "slut" to me, and is quite desirable.

Sorry for the posting, hot button issue here, as I've been stung by some real bitches before.

Date: 2008-02-27 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flamingsword.livejournal.com
Well, in their defense, navigating this sea of sexual identity is not easy for any of us, even them. They've been rocked by depth charges and torpedoed by their own kind for noncompliance with social norms. It twists your head up, the psychosexual slavery we are raised into, all bowing down before the false god of "healthy normality".

You and I have made it most of the way into the open waters of sexual freedom, but most are not so lucky. And being smart is luck. I did nothing to earn my IQ points, so I owe a lot to the vagaries of chance.

To me, "slut" means anyone who plays sex like a pick-up soccer game: something fun to do, nice exercise, a pleasant way to spend an afternoon. That does not include sport fucking or manipulation based on attractive wiles. That's just manipulation and coercion, and the problems I have with that shit are not about sex being mixed in with the politics.

Date: 2008-02-27 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] th0rshammer.livejournal.com
That's fair enough, and I also take my own measure of responsibility for allowing myself to suffer at the hands of others.

My problem with the sexual nature of some manipulation is that it is an abuse of people with sexuality as a tool. So it IS a problem to me that sex is involved in those transactions, because it is mis-using the strongest and most basic instincts to milk people and deceive them.

Both parties are guilty in those instances, one for being dishonest, the other for being gullible. This doesn't absolve the manipulator, and I think they should be ignored and rejected.

For my own part, I'm damned relieved to have cast off certain limitations about sex. The future looks much brighter for it.

By your definition of "slut" we're all sluts, and by your definition yes, we ought to be praised... Maybe we can start a Sluts club! The Dark and Wrong Sluts of Dallas Meetup Group! Haahaaa...

Date: 2008-02-27 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flamingsword.livejournal.com
Actually, I'm not a slut by my own definition. I'm kinky and promiscuous, but I can't have sex for fun. It's not fun unless it's part of the expression of a deeper connection, and without that connection, it's false and kinda pointless.

Now, ideally, I would like to have a circle of lovers and have pick-up games of sex (or soccer for that matter!) and that would be an awesome way to spend afternoons. But that calls for a lot more work going into it than casual sex with friendly strangers.

But similarly to how I object to people defaming drugs for the bad things people do with them, I have to disagree with your stance on sexuality used as a weapon. It is wrong, but I have different reasons for thinking so. It's not tue that we have less defense against our primal urges being used against us as our urges to save face or our need for connection. Almost any emotion can be used to mislead the unwary, or those who let their hopes blind them to the probable motives of others. We have just as much control over our psyche as our body, and one kind of coercion is no worse than another.

Date: 2008-02-27 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] th0rshammer.livejournal.com
Agreed with you on the needing the expression of deeper connection for sex to be fun. I couldn't just have it for fun alone either. I like doing kinky things to deepen the underlying relationship, in addition to fun. Sorry, misunderstood your definition a little.

Date: 2008-02-28 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rens-sanctuary.livejournal.com
You know, just today I was having a sorta related conversation with my mom regarding the meaning of words, especially the word "gay". She claimed it could be used for either gender to describe liking the same gender, whereas I claimed it could only be used for males.

This? Is gold, or, you know, pyrite, whatever...;) :)

Date: 2008-02-28 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flamingsword.livejournal.com
Well, gold for fools. *shakes jingly hat*

Date: 2008-03-05 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] th0rshammer.livejournal.com
Was there something wrong with my making distinctions?
I thought my perspective was reasonable.

Date: 2008-03-05 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flamingsword.livejournal.com
??? Bzuh? Pyrite = Fool's Gold. Making distinctions?

*is lost*

Date: 2008-03-05 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] th0rshammer.livejournal.com
I was just trying to figure out what this meant, since the string of comments were in response to my input on making distinctions of what our meanings of the slang term were. I'm just not getting the progression from my comments to this metaphor, so would like to understand. If it's just meaningless playing on words, that's fine.

Sorry for being vague ,lol...

Date: 2008-03-05 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] th0rshammer.livejournal.com
Since I take many words too literally, I often become confused with humour, lol...

Date: 2008-03-06 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flamingsword.livejournal.com
I was replying to [livejournal.com profile] rens_sanctuary's comment, not yours. I don't know if you got a comment notification email that you shouldn't have gotten, but if you come to the page you can see it.

Date: 2008-03-06 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] th0rshammer.livejournal.com
Hey, no probs. I appreciate your patience in that sometimes I have difficulty "getting" some humour, and have often been caught at this.

But it's so easy to overcorrect.

Date: 2008-02-28 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bardkris.livejournal.com
Your idea has merit, but your conclusions seem limited to me. Women should be encouraged to do all things that they want to do that have been limited by their gender, and to only mention sex (especially promiscuity) seems shallow and insulting both to women and men. I've never considered the defining trait fo masculinity to be promiscuity. Maybe that's because I was raised by lesbians, though.

Re: But it's so easy to overcorrect.

Date: 2008-02-28 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flamingsword.livejournal.com
The power to be assertive and go after what you want without social backlash for being "needy" or "pushy" or "bitchy" would be nice though. And from a classical perspective I could be considered all of those things because of how often I just go for what I want. But my machismo is like a shield of masculinity that allows me to be thought of as outside the normal rules of effeminate females.

It can work for other people, too. I've seen it.

Date: 2008-02-29 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sushi-slave.livejournal.com
Heidi being sick equates random thoughts on cock.... interesting *evil laugh*

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